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wkWormOrder v. 1.2.0 released

Started by nizikawa, September 03, 2021, 10:09 AM

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N7Kopper

At first I was just going to use this module for replays and seeing total team health (so I don't cow in KTL games where the leader has like 1 point above second  :P) and not for scouting enemy worms in game. Not because of some deep-seated objection, but because it just wasn't the Worms I remembered from the PS1 days. But then I signed up to ask a few other questions, noticed this drama, and wow it really is easy to cheat and pull turn orders from replays. Now it makes me kinda mistrust people who don't use this.

For the sanity of this game's competitive scene, there really does need to be better anti-cheat. I don't play competitive so it's not really my fight - different communities always have different rules. (Super Mario Sunshine speedrunning uses a hacked save file to skip the intro!) If the Worms community doesn't like this, it needs to sort out how easy it is to pull turn orders through dishonest means rather than a convenient mod that says "Hey guys, I enabled a turn order scan feature! Turn yours on, or quit, or whatever! I'm an honest man!" - there were good suggestions like "pick a team and stick to it for the whole league" and also programming stuff. I would suggest baking the turn order into the RNG to obfuscate it, but that would require the shuffling of Worm orders too, and some might not like that. (This mod supports that, but I personally don't like it aside from missions, so...)

The RNG trick worked for crates and stuff (until someone nabs a Crate Spy) because the crate contents became Shrodinger's cat. Maybe the best choice is just to make it a customisable scheme option, add some anti-cheat, and let everyone hash it out.
Political statements written like/this deserve respect only when they are written as parody.

cgar

Yea it's basically "Welcome to W:A, where vast hoards of unscrupulous people gaining unfair advantages in secret is totally fine. -- But a mod that promotes doing the same thing honestly is absolutely abhorrent"

The stupid drama in this thread basically killed the forthright openness of the mod and made provoking drama the default, even if all you want to do is see the order of YOUR OWN WORMS.

So yea, download wkSuperEpicCheatyHaxx.dll all you want. So long as you don't admit it the community will apparently be happy 🤦‍♂️

Mega`Adnan

People who fap to old schoolers just loves to provoke newer players like us. They provoke our inventions, skills etc. telling us that we will always be wrong and they all always be right, no matter what.
And then they be crying seeing dead Wormnet saying "Why is Wormnet dead? :("



Quote from: XanKriegor on November 18, 2015, 03:21 PMAdnan, you are Mega, not Micro and not even faint  :D So fight till the end please.

Kradie

Quote from: Mega`Adnan on March 29, 2022, 05:17 AM
People who fap to old schoolers just loves to provoke newer players like us. They provoke our inventions, skills etc. telling us that we will always be wrong and they all always be right, no matter what.
And then they be crying seeing dead Wormnet saying "Why is Wormnet dead? :("
Lmfao. Spot on bro spot on :D
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Mega`Adnan

Quote from: Kradie on March 29, 2022, 07:45 AM
Lmfao. Spot on bro spot on :D

Thanks, I'm spitting facts that old school fappers are struggling to listen to it. ;)



Quote from: XanKriegor on November 18, 2015, 03:21 PMAdnan, you are Mega, not Micro and not even faint  :D So fight till the end please.

FoxHound

#275
I agree with you, guys. The Times... They Are A-Changin'. Old school players have to accept the evolution of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90WD_ats6eE

https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-the-times-they-are-a-changin-lyrics

N7Kopper

To a reasonable extent, of course. Sometimes the conservatives know what they're talking about and the progressives are stupidly or maliciously pulling for that cliff over there.

There's a difference between using TAS tools to practice your nading skills by seeing the trajectory and bringing that into PvP matches. But I think the guy who got really heated was just too angry to take a step back and read everyone's replies. Even so, it's a good thing. When cheats are such public knowledge the honest men step in and figure out how to stop them.
Political statements written like/this deserve respect only when they are written as parody.

philie


TheWalrus

Quote from: philie on April 29, 2022, 03:32 PM
Quote from: Mega`Adnan on March 29, 2022, 05:17 AM
newer players like us

10 years on tus and still noob?  ;) :D
Haha I was thinking that, "new player" who has played thousands of hours and for a decade.  Face it adnan, you have matured into an 'oldschool' player along the way.  No more noobnan ;D this guy pro now.